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| | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 1:10 pm: | |
If anyone has successfully used the astrological fertility cycle in conjunction with BBT/Ovulation/Billings method, have conceived, and would be willing to come forward to donate copies of their charts and/or briefly discuss their experiences in using the technique contact me: allenkr@sbu.ac.uk (University based research) |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2001 - 11:06 am: | |
Thank-you very much. Every bit of information helps. Besides the Jonas Clinic, where else could I go for assistance? Perhaps you know of someone who could work with me on the favorable times so I can learn at the same time. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2000 - 11:08 am: | |
Many people are writing me privately about personal fertility questions.
For years, about 30 years, I have used a combination of the Jonas Method and natal horoscope to overcome stubborn sterility as well as to avoid certain risks such as miscarriage.
The basic method of plotting fertile dates is easy and merely requires the mother-to-be's birth data and a computer print out. When the objective of the parents is merely to conceive and perhaps also to select the sex of the child they want to invite into their lives, the computer print out is sufficient. I think I can offer this service for $10 or refer people to one of my students who has the right software for making these calculations.
In situations where there is a long history of inability to conceive, the horoscopes of both husband and wife are needed. This is doubly important where many conventional procedures to become pregnant have been unsuccessfully tried. Likewise, when there is a prior history of ectopic pregnancies, spontaneous abortions or miscarriages, or children born with serious birth defects, much more planning is required.
In other words, if a woman is newly married and trying to become pregnant for the first time or if a couple has been using birth control and decides it is time to start a family, the Jonas method is probably going to provide enough information to select the fertile dates as well as to select the sex of the child.
However, if the problem is more ongoing. For instance, if a woman conceives easily but miscarries soon after conception, there needs to be a more thorough approach to conception. In such instances, astrology helps to the couple to find a "stable time" to conceive, one in which the chances of miscarriage are significantly reduced. Ideally, this date selection is supported by some dietary and herbal measures as well as perhaps some meditations that support comfortable, full-term pregnancies.
When the issue is that children has been born with serious problems, anything from deformities of the physical body to mental insufficiencies or the birth was followed by sudden death, the amount of time, effort, and preparation involved to minimize the risk of future pregnancies presenting similar challenges is truly great.
Additional comments:
Many people who have lost a child, whether while still in utero or soon after birth suffer from immense and completely understandable grief. Some are afraid that another pregnancy will bring unhappiness and others feel that they might be able to bring back the same soul by offering that being a second chance at incarnation. These are all normal responses but ones that are more likely to work out as desired if there is some planning.
Other people have major physiological obstacles to pregnancy. These can include anything from a low sperm count in men or an tilted uterus in women to inability to produce eggs. Astrology alone will probably not help such persons to have a child. All astrology can do in such circumstances is reveal the times of maximum fertility. If the obstacle to pregnancy involves both parents, it sometimes happens that there is only one astrological fertile time every 3-4 years when the horoscopes of both persons are considered in relationship to each other.
When the obstacle is physiological, there are many dietary and herbal protocols that help. I studied with Drs. Smita and Pankaj Naram, Ayurvedic doctors in India, who address all aspects of pregnancy from preparation to conceive to conception, gestation, and post-natal care.
FERTILITY
From an astrological perspective, fertility is related to the water element. Men with low sperm counts usually have excess fire. This fire needs to be detoxified before the effort to increase the sperm count is implemented. I recommend that men spend three months detoxifying and another three building up their sperm count. I believe that men who take their fatherhood this seriously contribute higher quality sperm to the conception process. When men also work closely with woman who is going to nurture their seeds, truly beautiful and remarkable possibilities for parenthood arise.
The major cause of infertility in women is excess air. This needs to be pacified before fertility is increased. One can visualize the air as turbulence affecting the stability of the uterus and viability of the pregnancy. As with men, a preliminary protocol devoted to increasing the comfort of the uterus followed by fertility measures tends to overcome all but the most obstinate causes of infertility.
Obviously, there are persons who simply cannot conceive because parts of the reproductive system are missing or so severely malformed or malfunctioning that the odds of correcting everything are for all intents and purposes nil.
However, in my whole career, I have only failed once to assist a full-term pregnancy -- and I knew soon after we began that the pregnancy could not be accomplished within the ensuing six years. I do not know if it occurred later because the couple and I lost contact.
It goes without saying that the more difficult the challenge, the harder the work and sooner or later, I am bound to encounter a second and third situation in which I can find no solution. In this case, I refer couples to the Narams in Bombay. I genuinely believe that if they cannot find a solution, it is not within the destinies of the couple to have children.
God bless!
Ingrid |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, May 26, 2001 - 7:03 pm: | |
To the best of my knowledge, there are no Jonas clinics in North America. I may be wrong, but this is what I thought. They started in Eastern Europe where economics dictated an inexpensive and Vatican-approved form of birth control. The method is probably used much more often to avoid conception than to plan it.
When I work with someone trying to conceive, there are various levels of commitment that a client can make to the project.
On the first level, I would simply offer a computer print out of the times and dates of the lunar phase of highest astrological fertility.
The next level would be to work with overcoming the history and causes of the previous miscarriage. Losing a child at six months is very serious.
I have studied Ayurveda extensively and there are protocols for preparing for pregnancy that go beyond the astrological issues. Many people who can't conceive or who can't carry a child full-term have some personal issues that can be addressed astrologically. A few are exposed to specific risk factors, such as computer radiation. All would benefit by a 3-6 month preparation that consists of detoxification (first) and then tonification. Detoxification reduces or removes the causes of infertility and/or inability to maintain a pregnancy. In most cases, the cause in women is excess air. This turbulence causes the uterus to tilt. It is important to reduce all causes of excess air before conceiving. There are dietary and herbal programs for this as well as issues that can be determined in the horoscope that are unique to each individual.
The second half of the preparation is to enhance fertility and elasticity so that the womb is comfortable and secure and the fetus can develop without risk. I would like to offer all this information for free over the Internet, but you can imagine that there are many variables from horoscope to horoscope, individual to individual, and so on. It would take months to cover all those variables.
So, I work with a medical and sociological history and a basic strategy session. These can be booked online, but some people will want assistance for a year or two because one of the fascinating aspects of overcoming a past issue is all the ramifications of the pattern, the various dietary and herbal regimes that mitigate symptoms, the excitement of planning a pregnancy and having the opportunity to invite a unique soul to share life with you . . . it can be quite an ongoing arrangement between the astrologer and client. |
D
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2000 - 7:48 pm: | |
Hi Ingrid, I was just reading through some of the messages and would like to know more about the "Jonas Method". I don't remember hearing about it before and would like to check it with some of the charts that I have access to regarding losing a child in utero, difficult conceptions and difficult pregnancies. Could you explain the concept please? D |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2000 - 12:16 pm: | |
Jonas read an ancient manuscript in which it stated that a woman is fertile according to the cycle of her Moon. After much reflection and experimentation, he concluded that it is her birth cycle. I.e., if a woman were born at the first quarter, her most fertile time each month would be the first quarter. When this cycle coincides with the ovulation cycle, a period of extremely high fertility occurs.
Computers now calculate this for woman desiring to conceive or avoid conception through abstention or birth control.
The more traditional astrological rules, ones I feel I have considerable insight into, use a host of additional techniques, not the least of which is the conception chart. The outcome of any event is the shown by the fourth house. To avoid complications in pregnancy, one wants to be sure that the fourth house is free of affliction. To stabilize a pregnancy when there is a history of miscarriages, one wants fixed signs on that cusp, preferably with a benefic planet in a fixed sign. Obviously, the options are not always there, but it is possible to find some way around the worst hazards. In any case, the natal chart is always the first reference so one must interpret the risks, probabilities, and find ways to manage the risks, being careful to take into account that it may not be possible to cheat Fate so that advising a client in such a way as to suggest that despite the signatures there is a viable strategy may not be conscionable. |
Holly
| | Posted on Monday, November 06, 2000 - 10:03 pm: | |
Hello Ingrid!
I am interested in purchasing a computer printout, using the Jonas Method, for wanting to know my best fertile time for conceiving my first child. Can you help? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 8:43 pm: | |
It's fairly easy. Astro Computing Services used to offer this, but I would wager most astrologers have sufficient software to perform this for someone. Let's see if someone volunteers. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 3:06 am: | |
The following site offers a Lunar Phases Fertility Calendar using the Jonas method and it's free of charge; www.astro.com
Just click on free charts, enter the birth info, then choose the "extended chart selection" option. You'll find it listed under "Astrodienst special" group of options.
Hope this helps! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 9:46 am: | |
Hi Ingrid,
I lost a baby (6 mos pregnancy) before and have been trying to conceive unsuccessfully. I read about the afflictions in the 4th house and too many air element (Sun, Moon, Ven, Mars, Uranus, Pluto in Libra in the 4th house squaring Saturn in the 1st house), which all describe my natal chart. I already have the Jonas method printout, but I don't know how to use it. I really want to get pregnant and deliver a healthy baby. Can I be pregnant at all? Any suggestion? |
Susan
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2001 - 6:27 pm: | |
Hi Ingrid,
I am an astrologer who has had a real interest in fertility charts for a
long time. A few years back I started timing intercourse according to
the phase of the moon I was born during. Of course I only chose those
dates that seemed to me to have relatively good aspects. I tried this
for about 6 months then gave up and starting trying every month during
the regular ovulation time. I did have a miscarriage last November and
since then I have been taking progesterone (suggested by my
naturopath). Now it has been two years of unsuccessful pregnancy and I
thought "let's go with Dr. Jonas, the expert."
Now I have what their clinic sent me and I long for understanding. In
the coming year, there are 6 dates that are appropriate for conceiving a
healthy baby. I printed off all the lunar returns to coincide with
their dates and I really want to know why exactly they chose those 6
"Viability" days.
For example, My first viable time is July 6, 2001. WHen I did a chart
for the exact time that the moon and sun are 165 degrees and 5 seconds
in my time zone, this is what I find: The moon is 29 degrees and 50
seconds of Capricorn. Venus is at 1 degree Gemini. The moon and venus
happen to be in an applying trine aspect but the moon is Void of
Course. I know that Anthony Louis in Horary Astrology Plain and Simple
thinks this is still okay.
Do you read the chart as a horary chart where only applying aspects
count? Do you look at the sign on the ascendant for more information?
Do you look at the aspects of the 4th House cusp for the final
judgement? Do you look only at the aspects the moon makes? Do you look
at the aspects of only the moon and venus? Do you look at all the other
aspects? What about the significance of the asteroids?
How important is my birthchart in determing the best times to conceive a
healthy baby? If we take a look at my chart, the 5th House has Libra on
the cusp with Venus ruling. Now, you'll remember I said that the moon
and venus are in a positive relationship in the July 6th date, but there
must be more to it than that. I'm a little leary if it is because the
Libra is at 0 degrees and if I were born a few minutes before then Virgo
would be on the cusp and Mercury would rule. Would you not, then, look
for aspects from the moon to Mercury?
I tend to use the Equal House System for my calculations. Which is more
preferrable for work with fertility charts?
Here's another question that I'm concerned about. Let's say I decide to
continue trying to get pregnant during my regular ovulation cycle. If I
happen to know when I ovulate, should the same rules apply in
determining the sex as well as the viability? I know I would have the
exact time but I would most likely know the moon during ovulation and
some of the other aspects.
Here's yet another concern. I understand the 5th House in my chart is
about children but the 4th House is really about "being pregnant".
Isn't this the house ruler one should use in the horary fertility chart?
What aspects do you look for when choosing good times. I doubt that the
Jonas Clinic will divulge this information since it strictly says there
is an intellectual copyright on the information. Could you please
assist me or if you are limited with time, could you refer me to a
source that can help. It's time for this mystery to be cleared up in my
mind. Hopefully I too can help family and friends if I have the full
and correct info.
I know I have posed a lot of questions but you are the first person who
has a chat room where I can get this off my chest. I appreciate
anything you can tell me. I sincerely thank you.
Again, Thanks.
Susan |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2001 - 7:00 pm: | |
Wow!
First off, let me say that if you want all these questions answered and help, you really should have a private consultation with a qualified astrologer because this bulletin board is not designed to handle so many detailed questions.
This said, I'll make a royal effort.
1. The phase of the moon is at a particular moment, same moment everywhere on the planet even though the clock time would vary.
2. Sexual relations need to occur about 12 hours before the exact time of the lunar phase in order to give time for the sperm to travel to the egg so that impregnation can occur at the planned time.
3. In terms of what I look at, it is always the whole picture. The phase of the Moon is used only to determine fertility or shall we say "possible receptivity to impregnation." The odds of this being successful and of carrying the child full-term depend on many other factors.
4. When there is a history of miscarriage, more careful planning is needed to prepare the uterus for a comfortable and stable pregnancy. Also, greater care is needed in selecting from the available dates to make certain that the odds favor a satisfactory outcome.
5. Using the event chart of the conception, one looks for fixity, lack of retrograde planets, and absence of the aspects that provide the deepest explanation for the prior miscarriage. For example, if there is a Uranus influence to the 5th and/or 8th houses, one wants to work around Uranus to be certain that what happened before won't repeat itself.
6. I don't use equal house systems and would never do so in something as sensitive as conception.
7. If you are concerned about the rulership of your 5th house, you should consider having your chart rectified.
Does this help or merely point out the need for expert assistance? |
alex
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 8:24 pm: | |
I am interested in gender selection using the Jonas method. Where can you find the yin yang phases of the moon chart available online? |
Alex
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 8:33 pm: | |
How can I get the chart print out for fertility and gemder selection? I think that I read that the cost is $10? Is this correct? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 9:04 pm: | |
Alex,
I'm not sure your question is phrased right . . .
The fertility cycle corresponds to the woman's phase of the Moon, the angle between the Sun and Moon in the horoscope. Based on this, she has a higher chance of fertility/conception during this cycle, higher yet when the ovulation and lunar phase synchronize. Depending on the Moon at the actual moment of conception, the gender can be predicted . . . or efforts to conceive a child of a particular gender can be timed to the appropriate cycle, essentially every other month. In reality, it doesn't work exactly this way because there are other variables so the actual times of high fertility are sometimes only 3-5 days each year or sometimes only one day every 2-3 years. Still, if we know the time, we will be able to determine the gender. |
Alex
| | Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 1:50 pm: | |
Where is this kind of chart available online at an affordable price? I have seen some very expensive ones. I thought I saw in another message that it was available for appx $10 Could you give ordering instructions for this? |
alex
| | Posted on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 2:15 pm: | |
I got the free chart at www.astro.com. At my birth the moon 351(degree sign)31 I am a capricorn with a capricorn moon. Iam confused on how to interpert the chart to determine my fertility. I believe it says feb 11, march 12, april 12, etc, yet it was hard to tell. Another chart I thought said mew moon phase. So would this mean a certain point in the new moon phase or during the whole new moon phase? Also is it correct that when moon is in earth and water signs females are concieved, fire and air signs males are concieved? Trying to get this right |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 9:31 pm: | |
If there is a 351 degree angle between your Sun and Moon, it means that you were born approximately 18 hours before the new moon, precise new moon. This is called the balsamic phase. Whenever this phase repeats, i.e., just before each new moon, you would have a moment of higher than usual astrofertility. If this cycle and the ovulation cycle coincide, you would have the highest possible time of fertility.
The sex of the child to be conceived would be determined by the sign the moon is in at the moment of conception, not the time of sexual relations. Let's say the exact new moon is midnight. Then, the time of astrofertility would be around six a.m., sunrise. The sign the moon is in at six a.m. would determine the gender of the child. However, the sperm have to be present at six a.m. and since they need travel time, marital relations would need to take place the day before . . . but the sex is determined by conception, not the time that the sperm is released to search for the egg.
. . . and all this is assuming that the discussion is about the woman since the rules for a man are quite different and sometimes the fertility of the couple considered as a couple is quite low so that there is really only one time of high probability of conception every 3-4 years. Then, of course, some people just need to breath the same air to conceive . . . |
LIZ M.F.
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 3:05 am: | |
Hi Ingrid-
if i am a Virgo, born with a Taurus moon-
then that means that each month i am fertile when the moon is in the first trine sign back from what the sun is in- right??
Thanks,
LIZ |
Alex
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 5:18 pm: | |
How do you determine the fertility cycle for men? I have not found any information on this subject. |
LIZ MF
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 5:43 am: | |
i don't think you have to figure that out..i think men are always fertile@!!!! |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 12:26 pm: | |
Liz,
Let's se if we understand each other. A Virgo with with Taurus Moon has the second trine since the Moon in Virgo would have been the new moon and the Moon in Capricorn would be the first trine (unless the Sun had moved into Libra by the time the Moon got to Capricorn in which case the trine would occur with the Moon in Aquarius.)
This is too complicated without a computer to generate a report. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 12:31 pm: | |
Alex,
Producing hormones on a steady as opposed to cyclical basis does not necessarily guarantee fertility. However, the point is still well taken.
Basically, the rules for astrofertility start with the woman's cycle and then go into the specific times in which the fertility for the couple is highest. As I have said, often this only occurs every two to four years, but there is an occasional situation in which the dynamics are such that the couple really only has one fertile time every ten to twenty years.
Also, there are factors reducing affecting men that do impact on fertility such as toxicity and heat that destroy motility (extra fire) and low sperm counts (low water.) I suppose we have lots of visual images of weak and degenerate sperm that look like sick salmon? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 12:40 pm: | |
Liz, again!
While I appreciate your humor, it is not necessarily true that all men are always fertile.
In today's world, roughly a quarter of all young people who marry encounter challenges when it comes to starting a family. They take supplemental hormones, fertility drugs, and try artificial insemination and in vitro fertilization, but the truth is that none of these methods works in 100% of cases. Moreover, it is often found that while the projections are initially usually on the woman and her capacity to bear children, the fault is often with the man.
Extreme toxicity is the usual reason for men's infertility. Toxins are hot and they affect the viability of sperm. Wearing tight fitting apparel also affects the viability of sperm because body heat works in much the same way as heat from toxins.
There are other factors. They is the affeminization of males through hormones in water and plastics and animal food products. This has already resulted in androgenization of some aquatic species, but a simply incredible number of babies are born without the capacity to develop male secondary sexual characteristics to the extent necessary to father a child.
On top of this global epidemic, one that could, in theory, threaten the human species (and a lot of others as well), there is the fact that some men just don't produce the hormones necessary to be fertile. |
Gayathri
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:58 am: | |
Hi Ingrid: I have a friend born on 2nd January 1969 at Bangkok Thailand. She is a Hindu by birth and therefore wants to have a male child. Is it possible to determine the birth of a male child from the horoscope of a housewife. ? Your views please. Thanks. Gayathri |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 12:23 pm: | |
The rules for conception are the same regardless of the date of birth and religion. To conceive a male child, fertilization must occur when the Moon is in a masculine sign. I suppose one could ask whether this means using tropical or sidereal charts, but I use tropical . . . to be certain, one could pick a time in which the moment of conception (not intercourse but conception) occurs when the Moon is in a masculine sign using both zodiacs. There are also dietary and herbal measures to promote choice, but I am less expert on these. Friends in Bombay are total experts here: Drs. Smita anbd Pankaj Naram. |
alex
| | Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 8:18 am: | |
Yes this method worked for me. I am expecting a girl in January. Now I can't figure out when I am most likely to go into labor. What do you look for in the sky to figure this one out? Sounds silly I know, but I would like to have a New Year baby, as I am due around Jan 7. Doctor said I could choose any day except a holiday, as I have to have csection anyway. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 12:02 am: | |
I am TTC soon for a son.I am desperately seeking help from anyone who can help me with the correct moon phases so that I can plan wisely...
Pls tell me where should I go from here .. |
Miss Stef
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 1:55 am: | |
Ok I have some very good questions that no one can seem to answer about the Jonas method. I realized a site that was using the method but could guarantee 2 days (48hrs) every month for twins of either sex...20 for girls and I don't know how the time period for the boys or one girl one boy would go. I would love to know the theory behind twins of both sex? opposite sex? I heard that it happened when the moon was changing signs? Does that mean Void of Course? I thought void of course was bad. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 4:48 pm: | |
Yes, this is a good question. I also know doctors in India who planned to achieve the same result using Ayurveda.
I doubt, however, that one could guarantee two days each month in which this would be possible.
Basically, the change of sign would probably be the change from Taurus to Gemini, the assumption being that a girl was conceived in Taurus and boy a moment later when the Moon moved into Gemini. Likewise, a little more than two days later, the Moon would be leaving Gemini and entering Cancer.
If one's own fertility corresponded to the exact time of the change of sign, the possibility of conceiving twins of different genders would presumably be high.
Let us, however, assume that the the time of maximum fertility occurred when the Moon was at 28 degrees of Gemini. I personally do not think one could conceive one child with the Moon at 28 and another four hours later with the Moon at zero Cancer. Ergo, since the odds of one's maximum fertility occurring exactly when the Moon is changing signs is quite low, I think the guarantee offered by the site you visited might be exaggerated.
Void of course means that the Moon makes no more aspects before leaving the sign and entering the next sign. It is generally regarded as a situation in which there will be no major developments, i.e. nothing to anticipate and nothing to worry about. Gerald Ford was sworn in as president when the Moon was void of course and he may be a president about which not much is ever remembered? |
Jennifer
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 10:51 pm: | |
Ingrid,
I am am planning on trying to conceive my third child in May of 2003. I already have two sons so I would like to try to conceive a daughter this time. My Lunar Revolution is 463. My sun sign is Leo, Ascendant Virgo. My #s are Sun 22 Leo 44'15" and Moon is 16 Taurus 43'7". My Lunar fertile time should be the Waning half moon. (This information is based on charts from astro.com so I am unsure of the accuracy of these numbers.) I am unclear as to how to interpret these numbers. I would like to know your opinion on the best time to conceive in May, June, July, or August of 2003. Any assistance you could give me would be greatly appreciated. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:17 pm: | |
Jennifer,
Basically, you were born about half a day before the last quarter Moon so this is the fertile time, not the "waning Moon" because that is too broad. The exact fertile time would be May 22nd (assuming you are in the States) meaning sexual relations need to occur the night before, but this would produce a son according to the rules of Jonas. June 20th would be a daughter.
This is "all other things equal," meaning that if the time is right for your husband and you and nothing is interfering with conception, these dates would give the results suggested . . . but if something else happens, I am not to blame, just the messenger here! |
alex
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 3:26 pm: | |
I never got an answer to my question. I am expecting and due around Jan. 7. Please tell me how to tell when I would most likely go into labor. I am not familiar with this. What does it depend on, the moon? How do you figure this out. I need some help to try to figure this out. I did concieve a daughter in april. I was successful using the jonas method. But now how do you tell when child will most likely enter the world? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 3:32 pm: | |
Alex,
Basically, it's impossible to say this without a fairly extensive look at your chart, involving several hours of work.
If you conceived using the Jonas method, we know the time of conception and from that can deduce certain parts of the baby's birth chart. Using your chart, we can also determine things such as when the water will break, but it is not something that can be plucked out of thin air. You are really asking for a fairly serious level of work, but ironically, I say this because the ramifications are so great, it takes Mars usually to break the water so it's very unusual not to have Mars demonstrating strongly in the natal chart.
Please keep us in the loop here and happy last weeks of pregnancy. |
alex
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 8:11 am: | |
Ingrid,
If Mars breaks the water, My mars is in 3rd house 18 libra 12'43. How can I use this information to determine when water would most likely break? I know this is difficult subject, but I want to simplify as much as possible. My c-section is scheduled for Jan 6 as their were no openings for scheduled surgery before (they will do emergency surgery). I want to be somewhat prepared as I don't want to have a full stomach which creates complications. I was born before the new moon about 18 hours I think, so the new moon is Jan 2(which you already know). I really don't think I will make it til Jan. 6. With out going into several complicated charts, what kind of chart do I need to look at to figure out when water wiould break? I don't want to be 100% accurate, just want to figure out a most likely day. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 12:03 am: | |
Is there a reason you are having a C-section? Did you have a previous delivery with this method? This changes everything because a C-section is basically an electional procedure unless the water breaks or something else occurs prior to the scheduled time.
Basically, there is no short cut answer that would be remotely responsible. This said, we are still talking Mars because surgery is a Mars procedure, but it is transiting Mars we need to consider, not your natal Mars.
Without sounding too unreasonable, I would like you and others reading this to understand that the information you are submitting is insufficient to arrive at any judgment.
You say you are having a daughter but you conceived in April using the Jonas method, that your fertility cycle recurs 18 hours before the new Moon. This would be April 11th, with Sun and Moon in masculine signs. So, do you know you are carrying a daughter or you assume this? If so, are you assuming this on the basis of Jonas? This would be an incorrect interpretation of his rules so some piece of information here is incorrect.
However, for the record, this bulletin board is not intended to act as a substitute for proper consultations in which the entire horoscope and medical history are viewed in one coherent context. The board is for discussion of points of interpretation or questions . . . so you must realize I can't really determine whether or not your child will be a girl or boy much less which date the baby will come into the world.
Best wishes,
Ingrid |
aalex
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 9:16 pm: | |
Ingrid,
There are medical reasons for having a c-section. I did concieve after april 11. More than 1 ultrasound confirmed a girl. Although It is scheduled for Jan. 6th, the doctor said I could go into labor any moment, he doesn't think that I will make it until Monday, he called trying to find cancellations for surgery, no openings for schedule, must be emergency. I told him to expect a call in the middle of the night. Looking at my chart with little known about astrology trying to figure it out. Transisting mars will start at 10:pm tommorow in my chart. I will let you know when it happens. I just wanted to be somewhat prepared, as I don't want surgery on too full stomach.
Alex |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 10:19 pm: | |
Alex,
I believe I understand what you are writing and I appreciate that you are anxious, but I still don't think I have enough information to be helpful. I see that on February 4th, you posted that the angle between your Sun and Moon is 351 degrees. This means, as you have said, that you were born about 18 hours before the New Moon. It's called the balsamic phase of the Moon.
On April 11th, this phase repeated in a masculine sign so I am proposing that this is not the actual date of your conception IF you are certain, as you seem to be, that you are carrying a girl. This means either that you conceived according to your rhythm cycle (i.e. ovulation cycle) or that you conceived in a different month, like perhaps May. Remember that Jonas said that 15-30% of pregnancies occur during the ovulation cycle and 70-85% during the astrofertility or lunar cycle. When the two cycles overlap, there is very high fertility (which is why the percentiles also overlap.)
So far as breaking water goes, it will usually happen when there is strong aspect from Mars to your Moon. Mars is in Scorpio right now so the aspect is harmonious. I think your intuition about the middle of the night is probably correct. I am guessing the night of the 5-6th, but I am plucking this out of thin air because I'm bouncing off your vibration, not looking at your horoscope.
I wish you an easy time of this. Just eat food that digests easily, like fruit and tempeh and warm soups. This way, your stomach won't stay full for long. Please announce the arrival on this board. We have all been waiting a long time! |
alex
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 8:35 am: | |
Ingrid,
Looking at horoscope, mars is in moon tonight starting at about 10:47 pm, moon sextile mars? i think until tommorow. That is why I think tonight or rather morning early tommorow. I have made veggie soup, aand will be eating salad and fruit. will stop about 6:00 pm tonight to be on safe side. I am very nervous |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2003 - 1:03 am: | |
I know you are anxious, but perhaps it is time to dialogue with your daughter and just trust that all is in God's hands. It would take a lot of pressure off you and the doctor!
God bless! |
alex
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 8:09 am: | |
Ingrid,
my baby girl was born jan 1 at 10:00 am. I did leave fro the hospital between 10:00- 11:00 PM new year's eve with contractions that were 4 min. apart, then 2 min apart. Of course the water didn't break, and no dialation. The cord was tied in a knot, and wrapped around her foot. She is just lovely like an angel. Everyone adored her. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 11:52 am: | |
Congratulations!
I trust you and your daughter are fine!
Blessings! |
E2E2
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 4:32 am: | |
Ingrid,
I need some help from you. I was borned on Jan 8th 1971 6.10am at +8 GMT. When do you think my next 6 months lunar fertility dates will be ?
Do u think that one can actually conceived on her lunar fertility day ?
How did you think of the Jonas method Vs the Selnas method ? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 12:15 am: | |
Perhaps you would consider ordering one of the computer calculations provided by services? They would be happy to run the chart and give you the precise minute of the lunar phase for each date in the present year.
Best wishes! |
E2E2
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 4:43 am: | |
Ingrid,
Where can I get the services ? Can you post some for me for reference? Thks. great thks ! |
Heather Sweet
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2003 - 5:07 pm: | |
Hi! I am having some trouble finding out when to try to conceive twins. I tried going to www.astro.com, but did not understand what the chart was telling me. If there is anyone who could help me, I'd be very grateful! Thanks. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 1:35 am: | |
This venture is not one I would recommend nor choose to assist. If you wanted to do this, I would suggest contacting Drs. Smita and Pankaj Naram in Bombay. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 5:12 am: | |
Wow, this is all very exciting & confusing all at once. I am hoping to conceive our second child soon - we have a 16 month old son. I would very much like to have a daughter to complete our family and have looked into other methods like Shettles and diet and have now come across this entire new area "astrofertility". I am so confused already, and wonder how much more confusion I can take on ! We conceived our son on our first attempt (according to the ovulation cycle) but it's now been over 4 months and, nothing. I worry about the star sign of our children, hoping that whatever they are that we'll be a happy family that gets along. I tried to plan our first child's star sign somewhat, but then he was born 3 1/2 weeks early (10pm 30 Sep 2001). I did the chart on www.astro.com but being such a novice, I have absolutely no idea what I'm looking at - I feel like I need about 10 years of studying full time to understand it all. Can you help me at all, when would be good days to conceive a little sister for our son ? I was born 26 Aug 1974 (early morning,in Beirut).....anxiously awaiting your response |
Jennifer
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 3:45 pm: | |
Ingrid,
I am planning on trying to conceive my third child starting in April 2003. We plan to try from April until November. I already have two sons so I would like to try to conceive a daughter this time. My Lunar Revolution is 463. My sun sign is Leo, Ascendant Virgo. My #s are Sun 22 Leo 44'15" and Moon is 16 Taurus 43'7". Could you tell me which of these months (If any) would be best to try and conceive a daughter? I was born at 9:00am in Newport News Virginia, USA EST.
My first son(born 6-8-99) was born naturally but had vacuum assistance. My second son (born 11-7-01) was induced and also had vacuum assistance. If you need any other details I have all of my information RE when I ovulated for each of these pregnancies, blood types etc.
We are very excited to add a new member to our family and will be happy regardless of the gender. However I want to do everything I can to increase the odds to balance our family.
Thank you so much for any assistance you can give me.
Jennifer |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 1:59 pm: | |
Jennifer,
Sorry to be so slow responding. Basically, the rule is that your best chance of conceiving is when the phase of the Moon is the same as at birth, i.e., approximately twelve hours before the third quarter in your case. If you want to plan this very carefully, you should have someone calculate the exact minute of the recurrence of the phase. Usually, this phase will involve a Moon in the opposite polarity as your Sun, but this is not true this month when the phase recurs while the Moon is in late Sagittarius and the Sun is in early Aries. In short, you should have this plotted for you if you are want to maximize the chances of conceiving a girl.
Ingrid
P.S. I was also born in Newport News! |
Maria
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 11:38 am: | |
Ingrid,
Does the phase of the moon influence gender as well. I am sure that I ovulated duing a scorpio phase (which is female) and during a new moon phase (which I've heard conflicting things about -some say this encourages a girl and others claim this encourages a boy). I myself am a Virgo sun sign and a Pices rising (don't know if this plays a part as well).
Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 12:05 pm: | |
Maria (and others)
Some of you may be jumping to the bulletin board without reading the article on the main part of this site. Go to astroheal.com and read the article.
The "phase" of the Moon is the angle between the Sun and Moon. During a new moon, the Sun and Moon are "conjunct", i.e. in the same sign. From this point, the Moon appears to move away from the Sun and the angle increases: first quarter, full moon, third quarter, and then another new moon.
The phase, according to the Jonas researches does not affect gender. Fertility is thought to be greatest when the phase of the moon is the same as when the conceiving individual was born. You didn't give your moon sign so this information cannot be deduced from your post.
In any event, the gender is determined by the sign of the moon at conception, not intimacy, but actual impregnation (which can be hours after intimacy.) |
Maria
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 2:16 pm: | |
Ingrid,
Sorry I forgot to include my moon info. Its position is 13 degrees 30 minutes of Capricorn.
Does that help?
I did have a feeling that the phase of the moon did not play a critical role, but as I was looking into different sites for information, some did indicate that there was some influence.
I will re-read the article you mentioned above.
Thanks for your quick response! |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 2:42 pm: | |
So, the phase of your Moon is basically just after the first quarter, by a day or two. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 11:58 pm: | |
if i am fertile 15-20 of this month would the 15 be my most fertile day? |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 1:13 am: | |
This is an impossible question to answer. The discussion here is about astrofertility so without your horoscope the question cannot be addressed. |
Eva
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 4:43 am: | |
Ingrid,
I have got a calendar from Jonas and I think I have quite a good idea of how I will go about making the best possible attempt for a daughter next time. We already have two sons and my longing for a daughter is what´s driving me to pay money for this kind of service, although I normally would be very suspicious about spending money over the internet. I would certainly be fine with another son and love him just as much, but I at least want to know that I made the best possible attempt so that I will really know that that son was meant to be. I´m sure you understand.
Now, I have several questions that I find the Jonas people cannot answer in a satisfactory way or maybe I just don´t understand what they´re trying to explain. Maybe you could help?
I understand that in order to get a personalized answer I´d have to have a personal consultation, so please don´t feel that I´m asking too much from you. Simply, if you feel you can give me general answers, that´ll be a great help to me.
I was told by the Jonas people that I only have a 17% chance of conceiving a daughter. I understand that they base this prediction on data that I´ve given them on previous pregnancies, but how can they come up with a number?
Nowhere do they mention "moon in female sign", but I do believe this is a strong part of their theory - as you have also stated here. Does the fact that they don´t mention this have something to do with not being able to predict exactly when conception takes place and that giving people this kind of information would make things considerably more complicated and so it´s better to just give dates and base the expectation of the time the sperm reaches the ovum a general time frame of, say, 12 hours? We all know that the sperm travel time could be shorter but also a lot longer, does this account for some of the failures?
Do you think that it would be correct to say that conception taking place when the moon is in a "female" sign would result in a female birth, and that the moon´s position overrides all or most other factors that determine the gender of a child?
The way I understand it, Jonas says that my low odds for a girl has something to do with fertility being lower on the "girl months", is this a correct inferece? That I´m more likely to conceive a boy because I´m more likely to CONCEIVE in a "boy month"? I conceived very quickly with both of my boys (1st and 2nd try respectively), does this mean I might be quite fertile purely physically or is this irrelevant?
I was born two days before the full moon. Could you, without too much trouble, tell me which dates you think would be the best for conceiving a girl?
I hope you will consider answering at least some of my questions. I will be very grateful.
Best wishes, Eva |
Sandra
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 10:25 pm: | |
Ingrid,
Wow there seems to be quite a few questions here regarding conceiving a girl so I might as well join in. I am planning on trying to conceive my third child in April. I was born about half a day before the last quarter Moon. I live in the US, EST. I have purchased a Jonas Calendar and it indicates that my Lunar Fertile Time for the month of April is April 19 to the 22nd. I am concerned about these dates because conception would occur in the Moon sign of Capricorn. I know that some moon sites indicate Capricorn as being a male sign. What is your opinion regarding my Lunar fertile time in the month of April and conceiving a girl?
I do understand that you are "just the messenger" I would just like someones honest opinion regarding an attempt in April.
Thank you in advance for your time and assistance.
Sandra |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 11:30 pm: | |
Eva,
Basically, this is really simple and I don't know what kind of "money" people are requesting, but it's probably only $5-10. All you need is a computer print out of the astrofertility times. If you superimpose your own cycle, based on ovulation, with the astrological cycle, you will optimize opportunity. Depending on the length of your ovulation cycle, the two cycles will synchronize at least a few times each year. It is during these times that the odds are high that you would conceive. At least some of these times should favor a daughter. I have never worked on a situation in which anyone had to wait more than four years and this was when we had to overcome a long history of stubborn sterility before planning the conception. Otherwise, half a year is usually more than enough. . . unless you get fussy about wanting an artist or mystic or scientist or someone special! |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 11:38 pm: | |
Capricorn is a feminine sign . . . even if one associates some of its traits, such as ambition, with masculine energies.
Half a day before the last quarter is April 22nd (2003) with Moon in Capricorn but very near the end of the sign so I think it's important to time this precisely or the Moon could be in Aquarius by the conception occurs. This is very precise! |
Eva
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 11:47 am: | |
Ingrid,
I´m not sure I understand your message fully. I have bought a personalised calendar with all my lunar dates (six for boy, six for girl) for 12 months, and it cost over $100 (I ´don´t live in the US and bought it from an Australian site called "Usmev"), including which months (the weeks preceeding each lunar "girl" date), and also a prediction for the subsequent child. This prediction for the subsequent child means I could choose only to try to conceive in the months that say I have a chance for a girl (the "girl" months - the "boy" months I´d be very fertile and almost certainly end up with another boy)and also predicts a girl for my subsequent child, should I decide to have four children altogether....if I conceive in a month where my subsequent child is predicted to be a boy, I could potentially (and moste likely according to these people) end up with four boys. I could conceive a girl if I at all conceive - which I´m not likely to do during those "girl" months according to these people since the prediction they give me based on the size and weight and time of day that my last son was born is that my next baby should also be a boy.
Their main point seems to be that during my "girl" months, i.e. when I at all have a chance to conceive a girl, I´ll have VERY low fertility, and during my "boy" months, I´ll be VERY fertile.
I´m very confused and concerned that there is more info to be found and more factors to try to control, and that these people (who have, I must add, been extemely helpful and always patiently answered any questions within 24 hours)just don´t want to confuse (or perhaps jeopardize their own good stats) you and so limit the amount of information that they do share with you - e.g. the moon signs and sperm travel time for instance.
My thoughts, however, are that if you were to conceive (sperm meet ovum) when the moon is in Pisces, Taurus of Cancer, you´d almost have no chance to have a boy. Many surveys have been done on gender determination boards, and this seems to be a unanimous result. The trick is then of course to control that conception does actually happen under a Pi, Ta or Ca moon. This could be done if you ovulate hormonally just when the moon moves into one of those signs (and you know all your bodily signs so you can pinpoint ovulation to the hour), and you have sex right about then (or even a few hours after, so that the woman´s environment is more acid than right at ovulation, which would favour girl sperm). The egg would be viable for up to 24 hours, and the moon would be in the same sign during all that time.
I also think that I´d have to check that there isn´t a Void of Course moon during the time when I expect conception to be made - but is it possible to have a Void of Course moon jsut after conception and have the fertilized egg survive, or is the fertilized egg too sensitive to live through that so soon after it has been fertilized?
I don´t know if this is interesting to you, but I´ll write all I know about it, and see if you have an answer or some reflections to give me at your leisure.
I would be grateful for any advice you´d be prepared to give me, to upp my chances to conceive a girl.
I´m not fussy about getting an artist or mystic or scientist, I just want a daughter:-)
Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate it.
Best wishes, Eva |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 2:41 pm: | |
Eva,
I see; however, the situation is basically simple and printing out a one-year astrofertility chart is also very simple. I am astonished by the price you quoted. Unless they provide considerable service on top of the basic analysis, it seems expensive. I could make a good living selling something for $100 that takes my computer a few seconds to calculate and print. Let's assume there is a little more to this than what we see on the surface.
Let's say also that you have 12-13 astrologically fertile times per year, 12 is an easy number. Half of those times would result in the conception of a girl, half a boy. That is six chances based on astrology alone.
In addition, you have your ovulation cycle and a very high chance of conception when the two cycles overlap.
Now, to make it simpler yet, you are on the right page in your assumption that if the Moon were just entering a sign, odds greatly favor it still being in the sign when conception occurs. So, assume that your time of maximum fertility would be when the Moon is 6 degrees of Pisces. If the sperm began swimming when the Moon was in the first degree, they would reach the egg in 12 hours when the Moon was six degrees. There are no real risks here because you still have a window of almost two days while the Moon is still in Pisces.
The opposite is not true. If at the time of maximum fertility the Moon is right on the cusp of two signs, there is more risk that you might miss and end up with another son.
This said, your own horoscope basically suggests the probabilities: 2 children 5 children, one son, 4 daughters, whatever. So, when you try to change things, you are paddling against the current. I can see paying $100 for advice if the analysis is sophisticated enough to factor in these probabilities. I also suppose it's tempting to speculate on exactly what masculine and feminine actually mean, whether they are chromosomal definitions or traits we associate with gender.
These days, a lot of children are born without clear gender distinctions. I do not think this is a result of conceiving on the cusp, but rather not supplying the nutrients needed for the sexual characteristics to mature properly.
Hope this answers your questions. |
Sandra
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2003 - 9:57 am: | |
Hi Ingrid,
Thank you for your insight into Capricorn. One of the sights that I have been using quite extensively is the Armonics web site.
http://www.armonics.net/cicogna/cicogna_e.htm
Below is some of the information found there. Is it safe for me to assume that you disagree with the genders that they have assigned to their moon signs. I have found this sight to be fairly accurate in predicting the correct lunar fertility date for each month. However this information is useless to me if it indicates that it is a "girl" month when it is actually a boy month.
Hoping it can be …well aspected!
It is often asked if astrology can give information on the sex of a baby. Alomng the time, different indications has been given on this matter. Ptolomy in his book Tetrabiblos already spoke of the possibility, through the verification of some astrological elements, to understand if a male or a female baby had been born.
More recently, Eugen Jonas, a doctor from Chec Republic, has set a further technique, a much more elaborate one, that foresees, through the analysis of the angular distance Sun-Moon of the mom's horoscope, the individualization of fertile periods out of the normal ovulation ones that, we remember, it happens 14 days before the menstrual cycle.
The theory wants that the sign where Moon is located during the conception gives a precise indication on the sex of the baby, but, also in this sector, there are different schools of thought. Lisa Morpurgo, the important italian astrologer, who has elaborated again the traditional Zodiac's structure, has proposed a masculine and female succession of the signs far from the tradition. A recent study has introduced to the "1° Day of Astrological Studies" in memory of Lisa Morpurgo, has taken back the matter of the sex of signs and planets and it is on this base that ArmonicS proposes you a service that could help you in the individualization of a further moment of fertility, both in the choice of the sex of your child.
As we said before, hinge of the whole system is the sign where it comes to be the Moon during the conception; if it is found in a masculine sign:
Aries
Gemini
Leo
Virgo
Scorpio
Capricorn
the conceived child in that day will be male; if instead the sign is female:
Taurus
Cancer
Libra
Sagittarius
Aquarius
Pisces
a female will be born.
ArmonicS has thought about making to you a pleasant thing, handling for you these long ones and, at times, annoying calculations, putting to your disposition a new service, that beginning from the date of mom's birth, it is able to calculate–using a method that combines more schools - anticipated periods of fertility and sex of the nascituro, or, to verify if the method works for your children if they were altready born.
We furnish to you some small rules to use at the best this further possibility that astrology offers to us.
You verify with a certain accuracy the type of cycle that you have (short, normal or long) keeping in mind that the ovulation happens 14 days before the menstrual cycle. It is in fact diffused conviction that the ovulation is had 14-15 days after the last cycle while it is being true that the appearance of the menstruations is only the final action of an ovulation – and therefore of a long series of hormonal trials - that has not given fertilization place. If, you for instance, have a cycle of 24 days (brief) the ovulation will happen 10 days after the beginning of the cycle.
When you will have established the moment of the possible checked fertility where Moon is located in those days and you don't forget that, the fertilization after a sexual relationship is not immediate, but it happens later around ten hours along the time that the sperms owe first “to feel at home.”
We remind to you that the middle daily step of the Moon is ca. 12 degrees and that, being large 30 degrees the space occupied by a sign, in two days and a half it crosses it. In the case you had to find to forehead a change of sign the reliability of the forecast can be reduced notably. If it is possible and if the choice of the sex of your future son is so important, do postpone everything to a better moments.
What is your opinion of this information? Which of the gender Moon signs do you agree with? Thank you so much for your insight into this matter.
Sandra |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 11:49 am: | |
I think people are confused. There is nothing new in this post. The problem might be that people are reading the bulletin board before reading the article:
http://www.astroheal.com/articles/storks.html
People should read this BEFORE posting. They are taking a really simple subject and making it sound impossible to understand and introducing absolutely irrelevant and extraneous issues.
Gender selection is truly easy. The only potentially complicated matter is overcoming stubborn sterility IF there is a history of infertility. People with a history of miscarriages and giving birth to children who are deformed or mentally retarded might also want to approach conception with more caution, consult a specialist, do the requisite preparatory work, and try again with more confidence. For everyone else, it is simple . . . and posting long discussions that are repetitions of what has already been said just makes it seem more difficult than it is.
Finally, the signs in the above post are absurd. There is simply no basis for rewriting thousands of years of astrological theory because one person chooses to decide that Virgo is masculine. Please! |
Eva
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 3:27 am: | |
Ingrid,
Thank you for your efforts to try to explain to me. I realize I´d have to study astrology for a long period of time in order to come close to being able to ask the right questions to really make the most of all the information that is in fact available.
I´m very grateful that you took the time to write back to me in spite of the fact that I´m all but illiterate when it comes to astrology.
Best wishes, Eva |
Rita
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 1:16 am: | |
Ingrid,
I just found this website and hope that you can answer a question for me. I recently had a missed miscarriage(also had a natural miscarriage before we conceived my 1st daughter) and am now trying to conceive again. I have 2 wonderful daughters and would like to add a son to my family for #3.
I have received my Jonas chart, it was created after my missed miscarriage before my 1st period. Jonas gave me March to April 9th, then June 9th to July 6th, Aug 6th to Sept 3rd and every other month til Dec. I've heard Jonas is usually every other month try for desired gender except for me. I will have to skip my next two cycles to try again in June per Jonas. I did try this past month and unfortunately feel my period is starting, it will be ~28day cycle which is typical for me. So I should be ovulating again April 28th thru April 30th, which is an Aries boy sign.
I checked with astrodienst and they have a red horizontal line on April 8,9,10 but no gender symbol(I think means 50/50) and above April 20th it says Taurus does that sign above mean anything for future gender conception? My May 7,8,9, is also 50/50 with Gemini(boy)above 21st. March thru June is 50/50 and then July shows male yet Jonas says July is only male for the 1st week. It has gender symbols from Aug to Dec, yet they are opposite of what Jonas recommends! Any insight as to why that could be,HELP!!!
So my question is if I can use ovulation predictor kits and time intercousre so that conception would fall in a boy moon phase should I still try in April? I think my May dates with the moon will be in Taurua(girl zone), so I should skip that month right?
I wonder why Jonas had highly fertile boy dates as April 7,8,9th when it was cancer girl sign?
Thank you sooooo much ahead of time, your site is very interesting and informative!!! I want to get pregnant ASAP yet would like to sway the odds if possible towards a healthy baby BOY. Please let me know if you need any additional info  looking forward to your response.
Rita |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 4:20 am: | |
What impact does the Void of course have on conception/gender ? If the moment of conception is estimated to be during that time, what's the impact if any ? Is it a case of survival ? Also, if the pregnancy does take hold, how is gender determined, based on the previous sign or the next one ? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 4:25 am: | |
For anyone looking for free charts etc - here's a summary of what I've found:
For a lunar fertility calender - www.astro.com - go to free charts, enter your data, then go to extended chart selection, then choose astroeindst special, then select lunar fertility chart.
For phase of moon to determine sex -
www.accessnewage.com/Felissa/
It shows the signs that the moon will enter and with the Storks article here, you can figure out the sex
Hope this helps someone. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:12 pm: | |
Rita first!
I am tempted to frame my response around two issues. The first is that when you collect information from another source, web or book, it would be much better to ask them what their notations mean. Otherwise, I am put in the position of commenting on someone's else's work and believe it or not, the world of professional medical astrologers is very tiny, like we all swim in a really small fish bowl!
Secondly, your personal situation falls somewhat outside the normal do-it-yourself fertility tasking. By this, the caveats that I have stated are really "all other things equal" which they are not given your history of miscarriages. This is where planning and preparation have a place if you want to increase not only the odds of selecting the right gender but carrying a full-term child. In your situation, I would assume that viability is more important than gender.
Then, by way of astrology, which I think has a steep curve and you really don't want to self-prescribe at this stage on your personal curve, I would merely note for the record that when the goal is full-term pregnancy, you sometimes need to emphasize fixity in the horoscope. If there were no previous experience of miscarriages, you could probably roll the dice and see what happens, but when you have two previous losses, this may not be the best strategy.
Lastly, because of this history, there are strategies that can be used that stabilize pregnancy. I would start by ordering my tape called "Water of Life" which addresses the issue of fertility (and longevity) but consider a full consultation, in much the same way that you might go to a doctor for a prenatal exam and then have periodic check ups during the pregnancy itself.
The singlemost important factor in promoting stable pregnancies is balancing the air and water energies. There is an article on this subject on http://www.astroheal.net (which is also my web site) that has a little slider to remind you of the fluidity of the ratios.
It is excess air that normally causes the miscarriage and water that maintains the elasticity of the uterus and makes for a comfortable home for the child you are inviting into your life. There are dietary and herbal measures that can be used to promote the water that you need.
Best wishes,
Ingrid |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:20 pm: | |
Now to the two posts by Anonymous which seem to be the same person . . . same writing style.
Thank you for the helpful information. Having a source for free calculations will help some of those visiting this site.
The rule for void of course Moons is "there is nothing to worry about." When one obsesses over the VOC Moon, the imagination can get really wild, but the best relatively recent example in astrological literature was the inauguration of Gerald Ford. It took place on a VOC Moon and "there was nothing to worry about." I.e., he did not die in office or do anything else that was particularly noteworthy.
If I were embarking on a new venture, I might not be so keen on something for which there are not too many immediate developments promised. However, it might also be true that "no news is good news".
This said, I think it's bears reminding that the Moon is highly impressionable or reflective, however you wish to see it. If it's last memory was of Venus or Jupiter, it might be really nice as compared to a square to the Saturn-Pluto opposition. This is where someone who is determined to control fate can spend years planning something that generally occurs more spontaneously for others. I believe we have the option to choose, but depending on how many factors you wish to consider, you might need the services of a professional astrologer, a professional astrologer with expertise in this particular area, which will not be too many people. |
KL
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 8:55 am: | |
To Ingrid,
I read above that it is already in my birth chart how many children I will have and what gender they will be. Is this right? Can I find out what the stars are predicting? Or would that require a lot of work even for someone like yourself - and should one attempt to take a "peek" at these things or just wait and see?
I have two boys and I would love to have a daughter too. Dr Jonas method says I only have a 15% chance of conceiving a girl next. How is that, I mean how can they know that, and how come they don´t know more precisely, if it´s all in my birth chart? Is it that we are supposed to influence our fate somehow, or not so much "should" perhaps, but "could"?
I have read the posts about this particular issue above and your replies, and I understand the image of "swimming against the current" - what are your thoughts? My longing for a daughter is so immensely powerful, I just cannot deny or suppress it - somehow I think this urge also has a meaning. I´d like to hear your views on this though.
What could it be about - I´m sure it´s about someting! Is it a life´s lesson that I should learn how to live happily without all of the things that I really wish for? Or that I should go for what I really wish for? What do the stars have to say about this, and how can I deal with all of this in a sensible way?
On a gender determination board I visit frequently there is a debate going on about whether or not conceiving when the moon is in a feminine or masculine sign means anything to do with the conceived child´s physical gender. Apparently ten astrologers have unanimously said it has no connection whatsoever. However there have been several polls on this particular board and other similar boards, where a clear pattern has been noticed, with very few (and usually quite uncertain) exceptions. If conception takes place when the moon is in Pisces, Taurus or Cancer it very rarely is a boy, and if conceived in Gemini, Leo and Aries it is almost never a girl. What do you think about this?
Thank you very much for your time.
Best wishes,
KL |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 1:52 pm: | |
Yes, there are a lot of questions here. Perhaps, I can take them in the reverse order. When I looked at the studies refuting the validity of the astrological conception rules, the studies were done by medical doctors with very little understanding of astrology. They determined the date of conception either by deducting nine months and one week from the date of birth or by reference to the last missed period. In short, the information was not derived from studies involving women deliberately trying to conceive using the astrological method. One study was so bad that the gestation period wasn't even in line with any medical knowledge. Finally, when studies are done in this manner, they reverse the Jonas rules by assuming that all babies were conceived using the ovulation cycle rather than the astrological cycle. Until I see a study based on persons using the astrological method, I am not going to lose sleep over this.
As for the fatedness of conception, I leave it to you to decide whether life unfolds according to a blueprint or whether you can affect the outcome through exercise of your free will. I suspect we could, however, argue that your desire is so compelling that it is merged with your will, perhaps in a self-fulfilling way.
This said, it is much harder to determine fertility than to calculate lunar cycles. I do not think a computer could handle this nor that you will find more than a handful of astrologers competent to do this . . . and it would entail a proper consultation, not a three-minute response.
I wish you luck but you might want to consider my tape on fertility (Water of Life) or Fate!
Good luck! |
Kristin
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 2:01 pm: | |
Hi! I think the last woman's question, comes from a woman on the gender board I am on-HI! I have the same questions.I was also given a 15% chance for a girl by jonas, and i'm wondering how i can find out, from the stars, what the gender of my next child will be? I am an armchair astrologer, but have much more knowledge of numerology, how can I find out myself? What is it I should be looking for? My desire for a daughter is so strong, I just really want to know if she is meant for me. HELP PLEASE!!! Thank you so much! Kristin |
Joanna Engle
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 3:16 pm: | |
Dear Ingrid,
Does it matter if the moon is in a new moon or full moon when trying to conceive girl? Or does it only matter if the moon is in a strong girl sign, such as Taurus, Cancer, or Pisces? (I believe those are the strong ones?) Does ovulation have to occur in the girl sign or conception, or both?? Thank-you.
Joanna |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 5:04 pm: | |
Folks,
PLEASE read the article on this site BEFORE posting your questions.
This is not a chat room so if your question has already been answered, it will be boring for those who check the board for new information.
The whole issue of 15% is answered in the article as are the questions regarding conception.
I hope I am not sounding impatient but I am certain I do sound this way, but ALL of the questions have been answered, usually many times over. If your question is personal and specific, you should consider a consultation; but you can manage the issue of gender selection by following the rules given in the article called Storks and Stars!
Best wishes! |
Lori W
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 1:31 pm: | |
Could you predict the sex of my baby?
My birth info:
December 14, 1969 at 4:10p.m. in Menominee, MI, USA (CST)
Conception Info:
- Ovulated before noon on April 2, 2003 (+OPK on the 1st; O pains in AM; temp rise on the 3rd)
- Had intercourse at 11:00 p.m. on April 2, 2003 . Also had intercourse on April 5,6 & 7.
- EDD: 12/24/2003 (pregnancy dated by u/s last week at 7 weeks, 2 days)
I think according to the Jonas Method I am most likely having a girl. Am I correct in thinking this?
Thanks for your help. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 5:14 pm: | |
You folks still do not understand. I believe it is time to stop adding to the confusion. You absolutely must look at this as an astrologer does IF you are asking an astrological question.
Lori, the right way, and I promise this is the last time I will repeat this information, to use the Jonas method is to plan a pregnancy. If you do not know exactly when you conceived, the questions you are asking after the fact are unanswerable.
So, one last time. You MUST start with the angle between your Sun and Moon at birth. In this case, you were born with the angle at 75 degrees: Sun in Sagittarius and Moon in Pisces.
The time of astrological fertility is when this cycle recurs which is every roughly 30 hours (usually a little less) before the first quarter Moon. This was April 8th last month and IF you conceived then, because you had marital relations on the 7th, you would have conceived a girl. If you conceived earlier, i.e., during your ovulation cycle, that's another story.
If the object of using Jonas is to predetermine fertility so as to conceive or to preselect gender, you must aim for the relevant dates. Otherwise, it is really roulette and the outcome cannot be predicted . . . nor can the time of conception be deduced when you might have conceived during the ovulation cycle. Remember, Jonas himself stated that 15-30% of pregnancies occur during the ovulation cycle and 70-85% during the astrological cycle. When they overlap, fertility is highest.
When someone is absolutely determined to conceive a child of a particular gender, they should aim for a time when the fertility occurs with the Moon in the middle of a sign so the sperm is available right at the correct time and no chances are taken with fast swimmers getting there before the Moon has changed into the desired sign or slow ones reaching after the Moon has moved into the next sign.
For some people, this is not important, but when it is, the rules have to be understood and intimacy has to be planned around the factors present . . . which may take some of the spontaneity out of intimacy, but it may also increase the intent and invocation of a specific individual soul. |
Lori W
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 7:52 am: | |
I do understand. I purchased a Jonas Calendar fromThe Centre for Natural Conception Control. It said that my next baby is most likely to be a girl. The calendar gave me dates from March 26 - April 7 in which I have an 85% chance to conceive a girl, and then April 8 as the day when I have myhighest chance for a girl (95%). I decided to take advantage of both sets of dates figuring 85% is still a great chance.
Obviously, you do not know as much about Jonas as you claim!!!!! From now on I will keep my questions for the EXPERTS at The Jonas Center! |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 1:12 am: | |
Jonas acknowledged the ovulation cycle and the astrological cycle. I am only using the astrological cycle because it is the only one that works with gender selection. For fertility purposes, one can use either, but not for gender selection.
The Moon changes signs every two and half days so there is absolutely no way -- astrologically -- to block out a broad section of days and say they are all valid for conceiving a girl. That may be why they give flaky percentages.
If I were helping someone to overcome stubborn sterility, which is one of my specialties, 85% for either gender would be fine. If you are happy with this, that's also fine.
What isn't fine is to fault the theory when the precise moment of conception isn't known. If someone has a window of fertility as wide as the one you just cited and then sexual relations occur multiple times within that time frame, according to the astrological theory, the gender is simply not predictable. It is only predictable IF the exact moment of conception is known.
There is probably something totally scientific behind the theory. The gender is determined in a manner no one really understands completely, but in Ayurveda, there are ways to preselect gender based on chemistry, the alkalinity or acidity of the vagina. One can influence this with things such as a very mild amount of vinegar. It's another way to go. There are also pulse diagnosticians who can say with certainty that if conception were to occur under specific conditions, the gender would be male or female. This makes perfect sense to me, but the Moon and its sign may actually affect sexual differentiation much more than people realize.
This is a very profound system. For instance, on the spectrum of air vs. water, the issue of balance is determined by moisture, which, in turn, determines fertility and longevity. The more moisture there is, the higher the fertility, but this also tends to favor the female gender, which, for the record is what one of my doctor friends calls the "default gender."
These days, because of hormonal imbalance and cultivated androgyny and toxins and a host of other factors, an astonishing number of children are born every year in which the gender is indeterminate. If the sexual differentiation is borderline but tilting one direction or the other, then the doctors will usually intervene to force the issue. They do this surgically or with hormones (or both.) In Ayurveda, these matters can be resolved with herbs, and the people under whom I studied, were able not only to cause testicles to descend but to do so in adults and to do so in such a manner that the individuals would be fertile.
As an astrologer, I am very interested in these borderline cases. I want to know when the individuals were conceived and whether the parents, either of them but especially the mother, were taking any medications that might have interferred with normal gender determination.
Personally, I am not too interested in gender selection because I think there are far more important issues: viability of the pregnancy, health of the fetus and child, compatibility of the children with the other siblings and parents, and most important of all, who the incarnating soul is.
If I were to have had a child, the most important factor would have been the conditions the incarnating soul required in order best to unfold his or her potential and thus to fulfill destiny. I think the soul is a complete entity and is therefore both masculine and feminine so the gender only displays as a physical characteristic, usually however with certain cultural definitions of gender and eventually hormonal influences that are often overwhelming.
This said, I readily admit that this thread is way too long and that there are more important matters that are being ignored; however, I do not concede that an online computerized service can provide the quality of fertility advice possible in a personal consultation with an expert.
Now, I am going to remove the form for adding to this discussion. If people want to continue, they can start a new topic. |
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